>Call me cheap, but I believe that I can put a torch down rubber membrane up the entire wall for less than 100$ and not end up with leaks either. 8.3 Schluter®-KERDI-FIX is a single-component, waterproof sealing and bonding compound with a silane-modified polymer base. From drains to shower benches to waterproofing pipe seals, Schluter®-Systems offers everything you need to … Superb Read More ... Our Story of Mann Tile in Englewood… The story of how we opened Mann Tile in Englewood, FL. Also for those who care. 30 years ago we did lead pans, 20 years ago we move to vynle pans, 3 years ago we moved to Kerdi. (he put the kerdi on with thinset but not the tile). How now, Mighty Sauron, that thou art not broughtlow by this? The trays can be modified by cutting to a custom size, or you can use a dry-pack mortar bed. Nothing like striking fear to get your point across! First let me tell you why it’s important to understand if your shower is failing. "Maybe it is just me but to work with the Kerdi system here for a 5x5 shower without the pan (they don't make one that big apparently), it is about 600$.". The most common method is to install a shower pan liner at the framing stage. No cuts on tile except at corners. Help   I want to make sure that when I rebuild it, it is permanent. Yay! How's Long Island these days. "Amendment to the bill allows mastic to be used with Kerdi. HYDRO-BLOK is the easiest, quickest and most user-friendly way to build a water-proof shower or tub surround at a price you can afford. Here is a pic of the drinks in the breakroom. Sorry to hijack the thread guys. I must have missed it on the 1st round but you answered every one of the questions that I had about the product with that thread. So I've bought in to the Schluter thing as well, I'm just wondering if anyone has an installation that's more than 5 years old? MikeInsert initially amusing but ultimately annoying catch phrase here. I recon it matters as Shluter says to use thinset, but do you know why? I knew about the kerdi but it seemed to good to be true so I stayed away. (It’s 4’x5′). You wrote something that had me scratching my head because I wasn't sure what you meant. Some more of the symptoms include, discoloration around the bottom of the shower. I prefer a TARP to waterproof the shower. Heck, I might become a Schluter advocate after this experience. From drains to shower benches to waterproofing pipe seals, Schluter®-Systems offers everything you need to ensure a dependable and watertight installation. It's of note that I came home about 20 minutes ago to a pile of boxes at my front door. On second story and used every day since. Come to think of it I can't remember a single time we screwed up. Meanwhile Schlüter®-KERDI-LINE is a component linear drainage system for the construction of floor level showers with ceramic tiles, natural stone, or other coatings. (Not getting paid much for the job so mideswell make it a learning experience), It just doesnt make sense to me why the installer just blatantly left holes in the kerdi and did not overlap. ... recommendations and my educated guess would be Schluter would definitely not guarantee against water damage or failure of their system. The last lead pan I did was in my own house in 1985. uncoupling membranes, Schluter ®-Shower System, ... arising out of or otherwise connected to the failure of a Thin-Set System, regardless of any strict liability or active or passive negligence of Schluter Systems, and regardless of legal theory, whether in contract, tort, extra-contractual or other. I gotta put something back there and want to know if the Kerdi system is the right product. I am ok with strong reaction to the title. No problems. The shower is such that a mud pan will be easier than trying to fit their pregaged stuf fin place and I am quite comfortable gaging the shower. These shower failures are why we have embraced Schluter Systems for waterproofing your showers. Unfortunately, I don't have that choice.... Gotta go eat supper; I got delayed reading Diesel's thread about his tools getting stolen. From drains pipes to wet-area benches to waterproofing pipeline seals, Trugard … "A stripe is just as real as a dadgummed flower.". KERDI-FIX can be used to waterproof pipe and valve protrusions in the Schluter®-Shower System in conjunction with the Schluter®-KERDI membrane and Schluter®-KERDI-BOARD. Or use Kerdi on the walls of a tub surround. Wonder if you and I could weasle our way into one of those things. And, I think that last one is the worst, because it can cause; sinus trouble, headaches, and sickness. UpDate: 12/05/2009 Home from the party. It is your choice naturally but I am not smarter than Schluter and unmodified is available and workable. doesn't seem like a good idea to show pics of yer own work that's failed? The kerdi places in my area sell the kits but also sell the kerdi by foot and they have all the packages of kerdi band, corners, etc.One other thing I don't know if anyone mentioned is you can use the kits and go bigger by doing a mudbed for the additional area. I just ripped out my sister in laws shower. I purchased the Schluter Kerdi system and had no problems with the walls at all. I like the title because it is getting good response so that I can hear how other people feel about the product and already got some good ideas because of some of the postings. After 6 months of getting the run around from Schluter, the depression around the drain is about 1/4" deep and about half of the tiles have come up. … And then drywall over it, or cement board or something. Nov 6, 2019 - Explore Tom White's board "Schluter System" on Pinterest. Schluter has never claimed that thinset mortar is waterproof. The chloraloy liner if done properly usually causes no problems. It seems to me, with just basic care with the installation, the Schulter system is pretty much bullet-proof. After calling the contractor back he identified a slight hump in the pan tile (1/2″ penny round)between the curb and the drain. The gc on the project was all upset but bet him dinner I could fix them, 400 doors. "Just out of curiosity, why the strong response to the thread title?". Use the stuff it is great. Some of the damage caused from failing showers.. Rust. LGardenStructure.com~Build for the Art of it! Also, how long should I budget to Kerdi a shower like that one? Schluter®-Shower System The Schluter®-Shower System is an integrated family of products that creates a “sealed” system. The Kerdi system did not fail. JB, We are installing a 72" x 72" shower kit on a bathroom job. Nothing's cheap, is it? Then stock the Hardi board but not in 8 foot lengths. Just address it as my old (#### ho;e) boss did..............dat orange stuff. Yeah, schulter can be wrong but when the product is installed with butted corners and with holes, etc. The KERDI-DRAIN provides a simple and secure I am pretty sure the guy messed up the install but want some good feedback from people so that I can be a little smarter about it. I priced it on tileprotection.com and their cost delivered is $572.99! The Kerdi drain is wonderful because of how it lets you fine tune the strainer location when you are setting the tile. There are some really nice features of the Kerdi system, like the really bitchin' drain that goes with it, the preformed corners you can buy, and the fact that there is nothing behind the tile to soak up moisture (except the thinset, or course). edit: oh yeh...and landed smack dab in Ditra's lap!! Please tell me it's worth the money because I am having a hard time justifying the money for some tape together membrane a few sheets of plastic with square dimples. It’s What’s Inside Your Shower That Counts. Or thinset directly to the rubber?? These types of shower pans are constantly getting a bad rap because of consistent failures. Done lots of them in the past. Easier to just say no and take the warrantee for the vast majority. His entire adminstration went into the toilet! It looks like the correct fastener was used, but not the correct spacing. … And all this moisture invites termites and it smells real bad too. There is a lot more to ditra than those two items but if either one is incorrect I can nearly guarantee a failure. These shower failures are why we have embraced Schluter Systems for waterproofing your showers. Nice, but $$$$$.Kerdi's sort of halfway there. Just because he's Kerry. The shower is now finished. I think next time I'll solve some of that by making the thinset a little wetter than normal. I did make mistakes, real easy to build up corners too much, especially in my niches. 1 1/2 years old. I really dont think I would have gotten the same response if I changed the posting. So, the water wicks up the drywall behind the tile, cement board also allows moisture to wick, it doesn’t get damaged but allows the wood behind it to be damaged. Now I look at cows and corn, i sure miss being near the water. I thot you weren't going out skiing for a coupla weeks, or I would have hurried up and mounted those bindings on Audrey's new tele skis! They can't get your Goat if you don't tell them where it is hidden. Edited 2/15/2009 7:20 am ET by captainbil. However, to make a ditra floor completely waterproof like in a wet room, run a strip of Kerdi over the seams between the sheets of ditra. Shower Pan Liner holding water.. we should be happy, but we’re not. Designed for tiled walls, these brushed stainless steel shelves can be installed either in tandem with the tile, or as a retrofit application—without the need for any screws or fasteners. i hate hate hate going behind slobs and cleaning up their messes. Maybe it is just me but to work with the Kerdi system here for a 5x5 shower without the pan (they don't make one that big apparently), it is about 600$. How long has Kerdi been in use? having holes in kerdi would be like holes in shingles and saying elk shingles failed. Even schluter will tell you it's ok to use Versabond but the warantee is void. I never use unmodified. Call me cheap, but I believe that I can put a torch down rubber membrane up the entire wall for less than 100$ and not end up with leaks either. I ‘ve always used vinyl and durrock (or Hardi) and knock wood, never had any issues. It must be UNmodified thinset. I wonder if water will find those screw holes? If you have the time, patience and enough skill to put this shower together, you’ll find it saves you a lot of money in the long run. *Edited to add that I should have said 11 minutes. Start your subscription today and save up to 52%. The contractor used the Kerdi system and there is a Schluter drain at the bottom (have not ripped that out yet) but the system leaked all over the place. Its the Darn mastic lobby. Mike Holmes celebrates in Canada with a cartilage piercing and new bib overalls. Pre-sloped KERDI Shower Tray or Mortar Bed. Please log in again. "The ditra would be much easier than installing Vinyl panning all over the walls, etc. Maybe, but then what are you going to do, screw a layer of Hardibacker over the rubber? Seems the schluter products are readily available and they seem to have a good track record. Callbacks like this don't look good for you. See more ideas about shower systems, schluter shower, bathrooms remodel. Water made it’s way under the shower pan… Not sure there was much pan liner here.. Water damaged curb, simply unprotected from the ravages of moisture. I show them several pictures of the rot and mold behind the vinyl pan repair jobs we have done and a few of the kerdi during installation. I use it on any shower job I do. I am getting a sense that people have had good success with it so am thinking I would like to try it. from TileProtection.com. First, the Schluter ®-KERDI-DRAIN is installed in conjunction with either a sloped mortar bed or the Schluter®-KERDI-SHOWER-ST prefabricated foam tray. This is an illustration of a barrier-free shower to provide great wheelchair access. 80 $419.00 $419.00 Wow, I know where I'm getting my Kerdi from now on. I'm sure you ripped apart showers before Bill, first you bash the #### out of stuff then try to dissect it to see what went wrong. Installation error can kill the best of materials. I've got several projects over 5 years old using both Kerdi and Ditra. I have used Kerdi and it is a fantastic product, but like anything else it must be used correctly. Schluter Kerdi Shower System vs Traditional Method. I am likely buying it by the roll and will buy corners as well. But the price of thinset has been tripled!Amendment to the bill allows mastic to be used with Kerdi. The gorilla that installed it failed. It took me all day to get half the shower out because I was disassembling it to find out, to the best of my ability, what went wrong. I’ve seen thousands of showers and have learned where to look for signs of shower failure. I think Wedi is more like Festool. I am 98% sure the installer did everything way wrong but maybe I missed something. I wonder if all you kerdi fans know that you only get a one year warranty LOL? I've delayed this one for that reason. From Schlüter®-SCHIENE, the original finishing profile for floor coverings, to complete ceramic thermal-comfort floors. And the good news is that tile care is simpler than you might think! So the actual flaw in the system is with the installers and inspectors and their lack of knowledge, not the system itself. Schillings carries what you need to complete your bathroom and shower remodel/installation. Become a member and get instant access to thousands of videos, how-tos, tool reviews, and design features. It is the best way I know to provide waterproofing and vapor management to keep the water where it belongs. The idea is to have nothing that is moisture sensitive or that can feed mold between the shower and the rest of your house. The Schluter®-Shower System eliminates the risk of failures due to water and vapor penetration and dramatically reduces total installation time. I did go up 6 feet on all the walls, so I used extra material. window.addEventListener && window.addEventListener("message", function(event){if (event.origin === "https://manntile.youcanbook.me"){document.getElementById("ycbmiframemanntile").style.height = event.data + "px";}}, false); CategoriesSchluter, Showers, Wall Tile, Waterproofing. I put in a Kerdi shower about 4 years ago in my own house. and Joe Bidet.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks. The one learning curve for me was knowing how much kerdi I could get on there while the thinset was still wet enough. However, with the use of a modern uncoupling system, these problems can be prevented. The login page will open in a new tab. I had a shower remodelled using the Schluter System. It was covered in mold when we did the demo. They can't get your Goat if you don't tell them where it is hidden. What do you think? Unless maybe you were talking in metric. I agree that the Kerdi did not fail. Festool, neat but pricy. I clicked on the thread because I thought the kerdi failed, and I thought the title was terribly misleading (even before reading the other comments). Another thing is to get the sales rep for your area, call the schulter number and they'll give you the person who covers your area. The anchoring fleece on the underside of Schluter-DITRA-XL is engaged in the mortar to provide a mechanical bond to the substrate. But with the cräp that just fell outta the sky (and the additional crâp that's coming tonite and tomorrow), I wouldn't recommend doing anything but hide under the bed until Mother Nature calms down and some more snow falls. A Gf sounds great.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks. Being new to Florida, Rob was recommended as an excellent Tile person. Some of you may find it difficult to get in your local stores like I do and I live on Long Island and there's no shortage of stores here...just a heads up, *1/4" x 3/16" (6 mm x 4 mm) V-notched trowel*. I normally just do the bottom 6" and around the seats with vinyl but this shower was leaking everywhere and there is no way I am going to put something back that leaks. I already emailed shluter for the Cd this morning because I could not find a video link on the website. They won't give you the warrantee but big deal...warrantee is only one year anyway and I know the Versabond is fine to use. Bad installation? They both work great. As far as the Schluter Kerdi Shower System goes, they have good videos and instructions for their system. If done right, is it really the cat’s meow? I was in your boat too, I did get to see the demo but I understood most of it before from watching the video and reading stuff here, john bridge and others. Schluter®-Shower System The Schluter®-Shower System is an integrated family of products that creates a “sealed” system. ". Seriously east to install but a bit on the expensive side. Decks Blog, Just an aside-the corners are included in the drain kit. If the stuff is that good, I would love to re-use it in this application because the shower configuration is such that the walls and wall caps will get constant water flow. We give them option one, the old chloraloy vinyl liner, NOT guaranteed, or Kerdi with a five year guarantee for $1,500.00 bucks more. Assemblies achieved using the Schluter®-Shower System reduce total installation time and eliminate the risk of failures due to water and vapor penetration, thus preventing efflorescence and mold growth. The KERDI-DRAIN provides a simple and secure She has been on a Thursday/Friday seminar on how to use all their products. What they claim is that their system is waterproof. Schluter-DITRA is bonded to the substrate using thin-set mortar. I'm diein' of anticipation here!!!! There are way better ways to do this. This video illustrates how the damage occurs, check it out.. First, the Schluter®-KERDI-DRAIN is installed in conjunction with either a sloped mortar bed or the Schluter®-KERDI-SHOWER-T/-TS/-TT prefabricated foam trays. Maybe just the "Fest".It's a Kerdi-Fest! The ditra would be much easier than installing Vinyl panning all over the walls, etc. I am green behind the ears, Dinosaur just told me about Ditra on another thread. If you haven't worked with Kerdi, BUY and read the book.. I contacted them yesterday and they are sending video (you might have read that). Schlüter-Systems offers an assortment of over 10 000 proven system solutions for the installation of tiles and natural stone. My name is John. Mike Holmes celebrates in Canada with a cartilage piercing and new bib overalls". The biggest clue that you have moisture behind your tile is rusty corner bead and bubbling paint on the outside corners of your shower. The math just isn't working for me. She (Margerite SP?) but will find out who the local rep is as well. 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Additionally, I have one contractor quote me that he'll use the Schluter system for the shower base and floor but not the shower wall? The customer support is excellent and there is no shortage of information on the product out there. I use Versabond which isn't "heavily" modified. They are incredibly common and are the most visually apparent symptom of an installation failure. Wow, I think the four of us need girlfriends or something... Yeah, my wife is snoring next to me. I have been using this system for several years and have yet to have a failure. They can't get your Goat if you don't tell them where it is hidden. I got cetified last year at the CTEF (Ceramic Tile Education Foundation) by Schluter Systems (uncoupling, floor drains and waterproofing). 'Cause his wise guys couldn't out-maneuver Bush's wise guys.And it's Kerry's fault. Here's an old Kerdi picture thread I did a couple of years ago. Cracking and debonding of tile and stone coverings are two of the most obvious problems encountered with wetroom installations and floor-level showers. He says that because it is Schluter the only way to fix it is to rip out the entire pan. I usually use a product by GP for my tile work, but up here it is hard to find. Each system got better, and now we even get a year warranty! And then some. Never had an issue with it. Within the first month there was compression around the drain, tiles coming up. I just emailed Shluter to get more info on the product so that I can understand it and perhaps rebuild this shower with it-properly! We have puddling in one corner of the shower. There's a cpl of guys on Ebay that sell Kerdi at a pretty good price! I didn't buy the prefab floor, used mud and kerdi on top with a kerdi drain. This Limited Warranty further I never need even the remotest possibility of variation from spec to haunt me for whatever reason. Chuck Slive, work, build, ...better with wood, I agree that the thread title is misleading. I am putting in Travertine floor to ceiling with a rain shower head. It’s a good system if done well and their instructions are followed. In this slow market, I dont know how much of that they are doing but it is worth a try. I installed a new shower with granite on the walls and glass tile on the floor - the glass is 3/4" x 3/4". I patched it with another piece of membrane overlapping the cut by a few inches. So i bought the saw with the guide, best thing since beer. After all waterproofing is completed, I tested the system by flooding the shower pan (called a flood test) to confirm it does not leak. How about a free estimate? Please ask the Mods to change the title to "Kerdi wrongly installed" or something like that. It was 1998… in October when my wife Judy and I set up housekeeping in Englewood, Florida.  We were coming from a short stay in Missouri and before that Colorado.  I had told the store owners I Read More ... Often, the questions we get most frequently after we install a beautiful new floor are about tile care–Everyone wants to keep their tile looking as great as it does when it is newly finished. The thing I see repeated over and over is the failure of Kerdi to adhere to "hardi". "Nah, it's the other nucklehead's work we show. This was in Englewood. © 2021 The Taunton Press, Inc. All rights reserved. To navigate through our assortment, choose from the following product areas. Free Kerdi for everyone! The stuff looks pretty cool, actually, and I read all about it after day one and it would be easier than vinyl up the walls. I'll second John Bridge's ebook. The tile was cracked and it was a direct result of a) not getting the waffles filled correctly and b) improper coverage on the tile. Git runned right out of the place! UPS delivered the materials for my first Kerdi shower (preformed pan, drain, membrane, etc.) I started tiling in 1994, here are some testimonials through the years and at the bottom of the page you can see, or leave a comment. We did all the baths and kitchen, and slate floor with Schluter products, strictly according to directions, and so far (3 yrs)it is great. Shower Failure occurs in 75% of Tiled Showers.. Mann Tile – Celebrating 5 Years in Englewood! February 14, 2018 Our Master Bath Shower had to be completely gutted because of water damage. The last part of the Schulter shower system is the shower tray. They do make a 5'x5' pan (actually it's 6'x6'). and then goes on to state that's clearly not the case. The shower I did is 3x4x8' high and the materials cost about $350, with some left over. I don't see how just overlapping 2" will seal anything. I've heard they are one of the most powerful! It's one of those things that makes ya' wonder.... can this be right? Ditra is not used in showers, it's a floor uncoupling/waterproof membrane. The shower kits had over 100% markups we fixed that and made them reasonable. I know the Schluter seems to be the Festool of tile products, but couldn't they be wrong? The system, correctly applied, solves so many problems common to traditional systems.John Bridge sells a very good e-book on using Kerdi that was most helpful to me in my first Kerdi job. Price isn't always an object as long as I feel it will not fail. I had never heard of it before. The Schluter shower system offers a lot of value to the home. I used to fish off montaque for shark, loved every seasick day of it. We did a hud project and the door guys forgot to cut the doors for the carpets. Decks Blog. I don't like a lot of seams if I can avoid it. LI's OK...still long...still expensive...still has water around it...even cows n hay n potatoes... Far as Ditra goes...you need to be sure the floor is solid and I like it at a minimum of 1 1/4" thick of subfloor. As best i could tell, there were areas in the Kerdi where it was either cut or butted together. No it DOESN't have to be unmodified thinset. I'm not a contractor, but I did my own 4x4 shower along with entire bath renovation last year. you can't blame the product. It holds water! I believe any product can and will fail when installed improperly however when done properly it is better than anything else. Napagirl, it's a little more work, but what people have had success doing is … No math, no measuring—just a simple jig made from an elastic band is all you need to lay out a good-looking deck railing. Still use 15# felt for housewrap; and prefer aluminised kraft over poly VB. I haven't messed with tile pans since Kerdi came out so have never used one, although I did use the material for other purposes. You obviously do that before the kerdi and you just use the kit tray pitch as a guide and continue it. I have used Kerdi and think it a great product. Jon Blakemore RappahannockINC.com Fredericksburg, VA. >>Call me cheap, but I believe that I can put a torch down rubber membrane up the entire wall for less than 100$ and not end up with leaks either. 8.3 Schluter®-KERDI-FIX is a single-component, waterproof sealing and bonding compound with a silane-modified polymer base. From drains to shower benches to waterproofing pipe seals, Schluter®-Systems offers everything you need to … Superb Read More ... Our Story of Mann Tile in Englewood… The story of how we opened Mann Tile in Englewood, FL. Also for those who care. 30 years ago we did lead pans, 20 years ago we move to vynle pans, 3 years ago we moved to Kerdi. (he put the kerdi on with thinset but not the tile). How now, Mighty Sauron, that thou art not broughtlow by this? The trays can be modified by cutting to a custom size, or you can use a dry-pack mortar bed. Nothing like striking fear to get your point across! First let me tell you why it’s important to understand if your shower is failing. "Maybe it is just me but to work with the Kerdi system here for a 5x5 shower without the pan (they don't make one that big apparently), it is about 600$.". The most common method is to install a shower pan liner at the framing stage. No cuts on tile except at corners. Help   I want to make sure that when I rebuild it, it is permanent. Yay! How's Long Island these days. "Amendment to the bill allows mastic to be used with Kerdi. HYDRO-BLOK is the easiest, quickest and most user-friendly way to build a water-proof shower or tub surround at a price you can afford. Here is a pic of the drinks in the breakroom. Sorry to hijack the thread guys. I must have missed it on the 1st round but you answered every one of the questions that I had about the product with that thread. So I've bought in to the Schluter thing as well, I'm just wondering if anyone has an installation that's more than 5 years old? MikeInsert initially amusing but ultimately annoying catch phrase here. I recon it matters as Shluter says to use thinset, but do you know why? I knew about the kerdi but it seemed to good to be true so I stayed away. (It’s 4’x5′). You wrote something that had me scratching my head because I wasn't sure what you meant. Some more of the symptoms include, discoloration around the bottom of the shower. I prefer a TARP to waterproof the shower. Heck, I might become a Schluter advocate after this experience. From drains to shower benches to waterproofing pipe seals, Schluter®-Systems offers everything you need to ensure a dependable and watertight installation. It's of note that I came home about 20 minutes ago to a pile of boxes at my front door. On second story and used every day since. Come to think of it I can't remember a single time we screwed up. Meanwhile Schlüter®-KERDI-LINE is a component linear drainage system for the construction of floor level showers with ceramic tiles, natural stone, or other coatings. (Not getting paid much for the job so mideswell make it a learning experience), It just doesnt make sense to me why the installer just blatantly left holes in the kerdi and did not overlap. ... recommendations and my educated guess would be Schluter would definitely not guarantee against water damage or failure of their system. The last lead pan I did was in my own house in 1985. uncoupling membranes, Schluter ®-Shower System, ... arising out of or otherwise connected to the failure of a Thin-Set System, regardless of any strict liability or active or passive negligence of Schluter Systems, and regardless of legal theory, whether in contract, tort, extra-contractual or other. I gotta put something back there and want to know if the Kerdi system is the right product. I am ok with strong reaction to the title. No problems. The shower is such that a mud pan will be easier than trying to fit their pregaged stuf fin place and I am quite comfortable gaging the shower. These shower failures are why we have embraced Schluter Systems for waterproofing your showers. Unfortunately, I don't have that choice.... Gotta go eat supper; I got delayed reading Diesel's thread about his tools getting stolen. From drains pipes to wet-area benches to waterproofing pipeline seals, Trugard … "A stripe is just as real as a dadgummed flower.". KERDI-FIX can be used to waterproof pipe and valve protrusions in the Schluter®-Shower System in conjunction with the Schluter®-KERDI membrane and Schluter®-KERDI-BOARD. Or use Kerdi on the walls of a tub surround. Wonder if you and I could weasle our way into one of those things. And, I think that last one is the worst, because it can cause; sinus trouble, headaches, and sickness. UpDate: 12/05/2009 Home from the party. It is your choice naturally but I am not smarter than Schluter and unmodified is available and workable. doesn't seem like a good idea to show pics of yer own work that's failed? The kerdi places in my area sell the kits but also sell the kerdi by foot and they have all the packages of kerdi band, corners, etc.One other thing I don't know if anyone mentioned is you can use the kits and go bigger by doing a mudbed for the additional area. I just ripped out my sister in laws shower. I purchased the Schluter Kerdi system and had no problems with the walls at all. I like the title because it is getting good response so that I can hear how other people feel about the product and already got some good ideas because of some of the postings. After 6 months of getting the run around from Schluter, the depression around the drain is about 1/4" deep and about half of the tiles have come up. … And then drywall over it, or cement board or something. Nov 6, 2019 - Explore Tom White's board "Schluter System" on Pinterest. Schluter has never claimed that thinset mortar is waterproof. The chloraloy liner if done properly usually causes no problems. It seems to me, with just basic care with the installation, the Schulter system is pretty much bullet-proof. After calling the contractor back he identified a slight hump in the pan tile (1/2″ penny round)between the curb and the drain. The gc on the project was all upset but bet him dinner I could fix them, 400 doors. "Just out of curiosity, why the strong response to the thread title?". Use the stuff it is great. Some of the damage caused from failing showers.. Rust. LGardenStructure.com~Build for the Art of it! Also, how long should I budget to Kerdi a shower like that one? Schluter®-Shower System The Schluter®-Shower System is an integrated family of products that creates a “sealed” system. The Kerdi system did not fail. JB, We are installing a 72" x 72" shower kit on a bathroom job. Nothing's cheap, is it? Then stock the Hardi board but not in 8 foot lengths. Just address it as my old (#### ho;e) boss did..............dat orange stuff. Yeah, schulter can be wrong but when the product is installed with butted corners and with holes, etc. The KERDI-DRAIN provides a simple and secure I am pretty sure the guy messed up the install but want some good feedback from people so that I can be a little smarter about it. I priced it on tileprotection.com and their cost delivered is $572.99! The Kerdi drain is wonderful because of how it lets you fine tune the strainer location when you are setting the tile. There are some really nice features of the Kerdi system, like the really bitchin' drain that goes with it, the preformed corners you can buy, and the fact that there is nothing behind the tile to soak up moisture (except the thinset, or course). edit: oh yeh...and landed smack dab in Ditra's lap!! Please tell me it's worth the money because I am having a hard time justifying the money for some tape together membrane a few sheets of plastic with square dimples. It’s What’s Inside Your Shower That Counts. Or thinset directly to the rubber?? These types of shower pans are constantly getting a bad rap because of consistent failures. Done lots of them in the past. Easier to just say no and take the warrantee for the vast majority. His entire adminstration went into the toilet! It looks like the correct fastener was used, but not the correct spacing. … And all this moisture invites termites and it smells real bad too. There is a lot more to ditra than those two items but if either one is incorrect I can nearly guarantee a failure. These shower failures are why we have embraced Schluter Systems for waterproofing your showers. Nice, but $$$$$.Kerdi's sort of halfway there. Just because he's Kerry. The shower is now finished. I think next time I'll solve some of that by making the thinset a little wetter than normal. I did make mistakes, real easy to build up corners too much, especially in my niches. 1 1/2 years old. I really dont think I would have gotten the same response if I changed the posting. So, the water wicks up the drywall behind the tile, cement board also allows moisture to wick, it doesn’t get damaged but allows the wood behind it to be damaged. Now I look at cows and corn, i sure miss being near the water. I thot you weren't going out skiing for a coupla weeks, or I would have hurried up and mounted those bindings on Audrey's new tele skis! They can't get your Goat if you don't tell them where it is hidden. Edited 2/15/2009 7:20 am ET by captainbil. However, to make a ditra floor completely waterproof like in a wet room, run a strip of Kerdi over the seams between the sheets of ditra. Shower Pan Liner holding water.. we should be happy, but we’re not. Designed for tiled walls, these brushed stainless steel shelves can be installed either in tandem with the tile, or as a retrofit application—without the need for any screws or fasteners. i hate hate hate going behind slobs and cleaning up their messes. Maybe it is just me but to work with the Kerdi system here for a 5x5 shower without the pan (they don't make one that big apparently), it is about 600$. How long has Kerdi been in use? having holes in kerdi would be like holes in shingles and saying elk shingles failed. Even schluter will tell you it's ok to use Versabond but the warantee is void. I never use unmodified. Call me cheap, but I believe that I can put a torch down rubber membrane up the entire wall for less than 100$ and not end up with leaks either. I ‘ve always used vinyl and durrock (or Hardi) and knock wood, never had any issues. It must be UNmodified thinset. I wonder if water will find those screw holes? If you have the time, patience and enough skill to put this shower together, you’ll find it saves you a lot of money in the long run. *Edited to add that I should have said 11 minutes. Start your subscription today and save up to 52%. The contractor used the Kerdi system and there is a Schluter drain at the bottom (have not ripped that out yet) but the system leaked all over the place. Its the Darn mastic lobby. Mike Holmes celebrates in Canada with a cartilage piercing and new bib overalls. Pre-sloped KERDI Shower Tray or Mortar Bed. Please log in again. "The ditra would be much easier than installing Vinyl panning all over the walls, etc. Maybe, but then what are you going to do, screw a layer of Hardibacker over the rubber? Seems the schluter products are readily available and they seem to have a good track record. Callbacks like this don't look good for you. See more ideas about shower systems, schluter shower, bathrooms remodel. Water made it’s way under the shower pan… Not sure there was much pan liner here.. Water damaged curb, simply unprotected from the ravages of moisture. I show them several pictures of the rot and mold behind the vinyl pan repair jobs we have done and a few of the kerdi during installation. I use it on any shower job I do. I am getting a sense that people have had good success with it so am thinking I would like to try it. from TileProtection.com. First, the Schluter ®-KERDI-DRAIN is installed in conjunction with either a sloped mortar bed or the Schluter®-KERDI-SHOWER-ST prefabricated foam tray. This is an illustration of a barrier-free shower to provide great wheelchair access. 80 $419.00 $419.00 Wow, I know where I'm getting my Kerdi from now on. I'm sure you ripped apart showers before Bill, first you bash the #### out of stuff then try to dissect it to see what went wrong. Installation error can kill the best of materials. I've got several projects over 5 years old using both Kerdi and Ditra. I have used Kerdi and it is a fantastic product, but like anything else it must be used correctly. Schluter Kerdi Shower System vs Traditional Method. I am likely buying it by the roll and will buy corners as well. But the price of thinset has been tripled!Amendment to the bill allows mastic to be used with Kerdi. The gorilla that installed it failed. It took me all day to get half the shower out because I was disassembling it to find out, to the best of my ability, what went wrong. I’ve seen thousands of showers and have learned where to look for signs of shower failure. I think Wedi is more like Festool. I am 98% sure the installer did everything way wrong but maybe I missed something. I wonder if all you kerdi fans know that you only get a one year warranty LOL? I've delayed this one for that reason. From Schlüter®-SCHIENE, the original finishing profile for floor coverings, to complete ceramic thermal-comfort floors. And the good news is that tile care is simpler than you might think! So the actual flaw in the system is with the installers and inspectors and their lack of knowledge, not the system itself. Schillings carries what you need to complete your bathroom and shower remodel/installation. Become a member and get instant access to thousands of videos, how-tos, tool reviews, and design features. It is the best way I know to provide waterproofing and vapor management to keep the water where it belongs. The idea is to have nothing that is moisture sensitive or that can feed mold between the shower and the rest of your house. The Schluter®-Shower System eliminates the risk of failures due to water and vapor penetration and dramatically reduces total installation time. I did go up 6 feet on all the walls, so I used extra material. window.addEventListener && window.addEventListener("message", function(event){if (event.origin === "https://manntile.youcanbook.me"){document.getElementById("ycbmiframemanntile").style.height = event.data + "px";}}, false); CategoriesSchluter, Showers, Wall Tile, Waterproofing. I put in a Kerdi shower about 4 years ago in my own house. and Joe Bidet.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks. The one learning curve for me was knowing how much kerdi I could get on there while the thinset was still wet enough. However, with the use of a modern uncoupling system, these problems can be prevented. The login page will open in a new tab. I had a shower remodelled using the Schluter System. It was covered in mold when we did the demo. They can't get your Goat if you don't tell them where it is hidden. What do you think? Unless maybe you were talking in metric. I agree that the Kerdi did not fail. Festool, neat but pricy. I clicked on the thread because I thought the kerdi failed, and I thought the title was terribly misleading (even before reading the other comments). Another thing is to get the sales rep for your area, call the schulter number and they'll give you the person who covers your area. The anchoring fleece on the underside of Schluter-DITRA-XL is engaged in the mortar to provide a mechanical bond to the substrate. But with the cräp that just fell outta the sky (and the additional crâp that's coming tonite and tomorrow), I wouldn't recommend doing anything but hide under the bed until Mother Nature calms down and some more snow falls. A Gf sounds great.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks. Being new to Florida, Rob was recommended as an excellent Tile person. Some of you may find it difficult to get in your local stores like I do and I live on Long Island and there's no shortage of stores here...just a heads up, *1/4" x 3/16" (6 mm x 4 mm) V-notched trowel*. I normally just do the bottom 6" and around the seats with vinyl but this shower was leaking everywhere and there is no way I am going to put something back that leaks. I already emailed shluter for the Cd this morning because I could not find a video link on the website. They won't give you the warrantee but big deal...warrantee is only one year anyway and I know the Versabond is fine to use. Bad installation? They both work great. As far as the Schluter Kerdi Shower System goes, they have good videos and instructions for their system. If done right, is it really the cat’s meow? I was in your boat too, I did get to see the demo but I understood most of it before from watching the video and reading stuff here, john bridge and others. Schluter®-Shower System The Schluter®-Shower System is an integrated family of products that creates a “sealed” system. ". Seriously east to install but a bit on the expensive side. Decks Blog, Just an aside-the corners are included in the drain kit. If the stuff is that good, I would love to re-use it in this application because the shower configuration is such that the walls and wall caps will get constant water flow. We give them option one, the old chloraloy vinyl liner, NOT guaranteed, or Kerdi with a five year guarantee for $1,500.00 bucks more. Assemblies achieved using the Schluter®-Shower System reduce total installation time and eliminate the risk of failures due to water and vapor penetration, thus preventing efflorescence and mold growth. The KERDI-DRAIN provides a simple and secure She has been on a Thursday/Friday seminar on how to use all their products. What they claim is that their system is waterproof. Schluter-DITRA is bonded to the substrate using thin-set mortar. I'm diein' of anticipation here!!!! There are way better ways to do this. This video illustrates how the damage occurs, check it out.. First, the Schluter®-KERDI-DRAIN is installed in conjunction with either a sloped mortar bed or the Schluter®-KERDI-SHOWER-T/-TS/-TT prefabricated foam trays. Maybe just the "Fest".It's a Kerdi-Fest! The ditra would be much easier than installing Vinyl panning all over the walls, etc. I am green behind the ears, Dinosaur just told me about Ditra on another thread. If you haven't worked with Kerdi, BUY and read the book.. I contacted them yesterday and they are sending video (you might have read that). Schlüter-Systems offers an assortment of over 10 000 proven system solutions for the installation of tiles and natural stone. My name is John. Mike Holmes celebrates in Canada with a cartilage piercing and new bib overalls". The biggest clue that you have moisture behind your tile is rusty corner bead and bubbling paint on the outside corners of your shower. The math just isn't working for me. She (Margerite SP?) but will find out who the local rep is as well. I can confidently say that I expect to be a life-long subscriber." We stock everything from shower heads and body sprays, shower trim, and even shower installation systems. L GardenStructure.com~Build for the Art of it! Life is too short. Which is really a sad commentary on the slob who put it in. My shower will be almost as much work re. Schluter Kerdi 38 Inch x 60 Inch Shower Kit with 2 Inch PVC Flange, Stainless Steel Grate and Joint Sealant 4.7 out of 5 stars 73 $369.80 $ 369 . Kerdi showers are 100% waterproof when properly installed. System the Schluter®-Shower system eliminates the risk of failures due to water vapor... Drainage solutions of Schlüter-Systems are a few errors in this picture and the materials about... 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